I have got a bit of an issue with the “streets” within a religious complex which is only accessible through a security gate. in other words, random Striders can’t just wander in for a run to collect the nodes!
At various times mappers have reset the access from private to “permit” which unfortunately CS seems to treat as publically accessible. Seeing these roads came through on the Waverley update today I reverted the access back to private https://citystrides.com/users/15017/cities/130975 but I both need to “wait” another month for them to disappear on CS and/or we may have the access being reset again.
Now permit says Tag:access=permit - OpenStreetMap Wiki and I can sort of see why mappers may use this tag as presume those wanting to go to the Mosque here will ask for permission to enter the site. That’s somewhat different to an area that is really accessible but you are advised to formally seek permission to use it. Either way I don’t think such streets should be on CS.
Think a police complex should definitely be private. By and large I either think of a place/street as being private or not and clearly private if access is physically prevented at least some of the day.
Agreed access=permit implies that you might not be able to access something 24x7 without fear of not being “allowed”. That said I can’t really think of any such streets marked up as such where have run so far. One I thought of that has gates for cars but you can “openly” walk/run in despite private signs is marked as private on OSM as presume there is no “permit” to apply for. By and large for CS purposes I see access as binary - either you are allowed or you are not - e.g. by a normally locked gate. That’s not quite the same as on OSM but generally I either markup access as all or private as anything else just often seems a point of debate rather than fact. For instance access to some shops might be freely open until such time as they are shut and any gate towards them is locked. Permissive access to me might for things like beauty spots which may not be officially public spaces but in practice are accessible in daylight etc etc.
PS the streets in my first post that were marked as permissive I reclassified as private and “fortunately” nobody has yet reset them. But yes please remove any permissive only streets from CS.
No action was taken, in the hopes of getting more feedback.
When I make changes that adjust street counts, those changes affect people’s stats, and when people notice their stats change outside of completing streets, they can get … antsy …
So I try to be very careful about changing the allowed data like this.
That said, I did do some regional searches to see what kinds of streets exist that would be removed. There aren’t many, and they all seemed like validly removable streets. The next release will update things to ignore access=permit so the next city update after that will adjust things … these run automatically every 1-3 months, and Supporters can push city updates once per day as well.
TBH I hardly ever see access=permit in the UK or at least where I run
I tend to think most street access is binary either yes or private.
Ones like destination or customers can be a bit subjective and I try to avoid using both. Somebody had set destination to what was effectively a private service road to some houses as it had 2 entrances - both were locked gates. I changed that to private. Fortunately not something would have needed to run but a good example of something you should not anyway.
if something really needed a permit to run it, just does not appropriate to include. It can be annoying to find a way to run a street that really should not be included and then “lose” it.
There was a named street inside school grounds that just should not have a name and really private anyway so changed it on OSM. Good now you can request a city update on demand.
So this is why the town I’m running (Gill, MA) just lost about 10 streets after it updated a few days ago! All the affected streets were access=permit roads and they are all located on a private prep school campus. I had already run all of the streets there at times when school was out (summer or winter break). I guess (?) permit access seems to fit here since there are signs asking visitors to check in, but on the other hand the roads are physically open, many locals run through here, and some of the other roads through the campus aren’t permit access but all access and still show on CS.
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